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glenn

Posted: 19 Nov 2014
do you vote?
Hey y'all, do you vote?
I think one of the problems with our society is that the young can be easily ignored by polititions because they don't vote. Also the fact that current the leaders of Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and UKIP are all themselves millionaires.

I guess this could also extend into our political leanings. I'm very left wing myself and would probably find myself voting for either the greens, liberal democrats or labour. Although I disagree with UKIP, in a way I'm glad the right is finally splitting. As a split left and basically a single right, sques things in the rights favour even beyond the fact that the right offers an easily accessible ideology. Such as being seen to be 'tough on crime', is always going to be a vote winner - even if it's proved to be a bad societal strategy.


stewiestrapon

Posted: 19 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
In the last election an awful lot of young people's votes were gained purely on the tuition fee issue. Many who were students at the time and current students today who are feeling the effects are disenchanted with politics.

The issue I have at the moment is this: Miliband is an absolute idiot, Clegg has more faces than a clock shop and Cameron is detestable.

I would equally hate to not vote. I think that's a bit of a piss take to places that don't get the luxury of a choice. I've always questioned the point of a vote for any other party and was shocked that UKIP suddenly became that bit more relevant- so maybe there is a point. Saying that UKIP's voters are largely "I'm pissed off with what we've got, I don't know what Farage stands for but he's saying it angrily enough so he gets my vote" types.

Political leanings? As Treebeard said I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side.
newmy

Posted: 20 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
Yes. I think it's irresponsible not to. If you don't agree with any of them, when you do vote just spoil your ballot - at least that way you're registering your discontentment as these do get totted up in the final count.

It may be draconian to make voting compulsory, but if a "none of the above" box were added to voting forms then I'd err towards it being so. At least that way it's a total representation of every eligible voter in the country, which might force governments to actually change. However, I don't see this change coming any time soon, as it actually works in favour of the incumbent political parties that so many people are disenfranchised with politics and don't vote at all. The older generations do still vote, and they essentially vote for the status quo.

Anyway, I shall be voting Green for the foreseeable future, as no other political party comes close to representing my views.

Tories - Never
Lib Dems - Sold us all out at the last election just so that they could have a go at being in government. Probably never vote for them ever again because of that. And they'll probably be finished as a political party because of that.
Labour - Currently aping most Tory policies. No thanks.
Skinny

Posted: 22 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
I remember being told that a vote for the Libs or Greens was a waist of your vote, it was like.. Pick Labour or Tories. To me, whats the point in voting if all you're going to do is support the two leading parties whom are like an old married cupple. Sure, they disagree sometimes, but in reality they are just two parts to one person. I am sure they are still sharing the same bed tonight.

In essence taking advantage of the right to vote is one of the most important ways we can engage in politics, although it is a somewhat a stark political landscape I don't think its ever been so important to engage with politics.

I feel sorry for the LibDems if I'm honest, when the coalition began in 2010 I wanted to support it as far as I could, I think coalition governments are heathy for politics and weirdly after the general election it seemed only right to match these two polar opposites. But lets not forget, Libs are not really in government, just a lone fire fighter taking on an Assie bush fire throwing water on the flames, in that respect they have done very well. But when it comes to passing policy Labour still have more power than the libs.

Then we have the Greens, someone needs to mention that this party exists to the bosses of the BBC and Sky News. In all seriousness the Greens are inspiring the more Socialist minded and the young. I am sort of hoping for bigger moves from the Greens but they could do with injecting more charisma into they're campaigning, unless you are looking they are hard to notice.

UKIP scare me but they may also accidentally be toppling the right wing force of this country splitting the tory votes in two. Maybe I'm being optimistic here but this could give the liberal end of politics a chance to grow again, I also think our right wing votes come from the ageing end of the demographic thus in time, with a little engagement from the young, we can swing parliament back to the left.

Personally as time goes on I am becoming more of a lefty, this is mainly due to people like UKIP gaining support and the old style Torys actively getting upset about issues such as equality and immigration. For many years I whole heartily supported economic progression and I still feel that Capitalism can be beneficial to the wider community. But we, like many countries, have taken this to the extreme, we no longer support the wider community, more exploit it taking little to no consideration for future generations. To me, I feel Labour and the Tories have led us down a dirty US style pathway to a capitalist disaster zone, a world where literally no one can get on in the world unless they were born in money. I sound bitter, I sort of hope many more do and take the initiative to help change the future in what ways they can. I am sure it's not long until we are all wearing little Russell Brand Masks.
Gnarlee

Posted: 24 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
Basically, what Newmy and Skinny said. And Stewie's Treebeard quote was very apt=P

I've gone back and forth on how relevant voting is. Sometimes I think it's extremely important, other times I think it's pointless... but when it comes to election day I always end up doing it. Because ultimately, if we think politicians have become little more than wealthy arrogant careerists, that situation won't improve by a public disengaging with democracy. I think a 100% turnout would terrify them into action.

The 'left and right' divide bothers me, it feels so tribal. So often I see people referring to welfare and environmentalism as 'liberal agendas'. It is immensely depressing. I'm pretty sure feeding the poor is basic empathy, protecting the world we live in an act of simple survival. And I'd hate to see Liberals turn down a good idea just because it came from 'the right'.

Just in case anyone thinks I'm sitting on the fence about this, I definitely lean left. But my general thoughts at the moment is that people should be able to do whatever they want, so long as it's not detrimental to everyone else. That's the world we live in today, extremely wealthy people make money to the detriment of everyone else. Politicians refuse to tackle that, which is why some people in have stopped voting. And in their frustration, other people are supporting atrocious groups like UKIP who pretend the problem is the poorest people.
rogerkint

Posted: 28 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
I voted Lib Dem last time and never will again.

I understand what Skinny is saying about them not really having much power in government, but particularly in the first two years of the coalition they bent over and took whatever the Tories wanted them to. Sometimes they had a real opportunity to steer the country in the other direction but jumped to the right in some sort of blind desire for power (hello the Tuition Fees catastrophe).

I'm probably going to vote Green next year but I haven't honestly decided yet. Miliband is a muppet but I'd rather his government cocking things up than five more years of the Tories destroying everything on purpose.

Gee, wouldn't it be good if we had a different voting system? How about that.
kev1

Posted: 30 Nov 2014
Re: do you vote?
Personally I would always go and vote...in one form or another; since there is no 'none of the above' box on a voting paper, as newmy says, spoiling the ballot paper is one way as he rightly points out thye are counted and shown to the candidates as spoilt - I have been to an election count by the way and watched the process - so just images the reaction if around 90% of the population actually did this...there isn't a candidate who could say they have a mandate.
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