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leon1990

Posted: 07 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
It's 14 actually :) No you aren't invisible @styzssm but you know what it's like on here, topics are not adhered to. By the way, if so many doctors graduate every year, why are we short of GPs? Maybe many are foreign and return to their own country! In which case we can't count them, as they won't be benefiting this one.
rogerkint

Posted: 07 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
We are short of GPs because no one wants to do it because it's a horrifically challenging job now and the NHS hasn't got the money to pay for more GPS:

"The proportion of NHS spending on general practice in Great Britain has declined in recent years from 10.3% of the British NHS budget in 2004–05 to 8.4% in 2011–12.87 Between 1995 and 2008 the number of GP consultations has increased by an estimated 11% and the number of nurse consultations by 150%, largely thought to be a result of an ageing UK population and an increasing number of patients with long-term conditions." (GMC, 2013 Report)

More doctors are becoming specialists because it's less stressful...

"The number of applications has dropped from 6,031 to 5,100 since 2013 and there is considerable variation in the supply of trained GPs across different parts of the UK" (GMC, 2013 Report)

"Estimated 340m GP patients seen each year - up 13% in four years.
There are 32,075 GPs in England - up 4% in seven years.
In the past year spending fell by 3.8% in real terms to £7.55bn." (Nuffield Trust)

And I agree with every word @Gnarlee said; the thought that so many people want to spend so much money on a nuclear arsenal that would never be used by any sane individual baffles me - people are happy for their money to go on such ridiculous penis-waving show-pieces, but think that education should be paid for by those who can't afford it and healthcare should be left to those out to make a profit. Madness.


rogerkint

Posted: 07 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Back to your original request though @styzssm - any debate on the NUS is fairly pointless. They're a ridiculous organisation, and the term "Union" seems inappropriate for their leadership - a group of people with more self-interested tendencies than the characters of Game of Thrones.
styzssm

Posted: 07 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
It is very left wing. Almost to the point of insanity. The worst part is that they don't see the harm that they do. For me the cross-dressing one is a complete joke. It's transphobic and encourages gender binary. It really pissed me off.

rogerkint

Posted: 07 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
I don't think it has much to do with them being left wing; I think it's more that they're idiots.
rogerkint

Posted: 09 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
I seem to have a knack for killing threads :(
styzssm

Posted: 09 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
I just don't come on here often
I agree. the problem is thast their idiocy reflects badly on everyone else.
I stll ca't beleive the black women oner was pass
wtf
leon1990

Posted: 10 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
@rogerkint...nothing to do with the rapid influx of immigrants causing increased pressure on the health service, housing, education etc then? And as I pointed out, the education isn't paid for UNTIL the person can afford it. So "can't afford it" hardly applies. I don't agree with privatization of any health services though I think they could be more careful what they are spending money on. Don't think I'd be over-happy t read about the £300,000+ being spent on NHS removal of tattoos if I was being denied life-extending cancer drugs, for instance. Sorry @styzssm, hi-jacked your topic again..
styzssm

Posted: 10 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Just write another post people
@leon1990
what do you think about what the NUS women have decreed?
leon1990

Posted: 11 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
@styzssm...can only say..for God's sake! and echo the assumption it must have been an April fool (certainly should have been!) Bloody ridiculous, I agree with you.
Gnarlee

Posted: 11 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Haha, fantastic. We've moved on from 'students using education' to 'immigrants using the NHS'. Like I said, looking down on others is the British national sport. It never ends, there's always someone else. We don't like foreigners using our services, but we also don't like people born here using the services either. No one's good enough, no one deserves anything except, of course, the people complaining about it.

I work with an immigrant. Recently, our store had an upselling campaign to sell the most study guides. I got the second highest score with 60. She sold 204. She earns her money. She pays her taxes. She can use the damn hospital if she gets sick. Concerned for the NHS? Then ask the government why they're cutting funding, nurses and selling more and more pieces of it to the likes of Richard Branson. Ask why they removed legislation that made it the Secretary of State's duty to provide care. Legislation that had been in place since 1946. Quitely removed. Duty of care, gone. For everyone.

Incidentally styzssm, discussions always evolve on a public forum. It's still about students. The NUS stuff isn't a big deal, they can't enforce their bizarre rules. The government can.
styzssm

Posted: 11 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Yes, but Lee, I really don't care about immigration and students education. Please feel free inmaking another post.

Back on topic, I honestly don't know how they are supposed to enforce it. Part of itincludes sex change party's that Uni's have. I never thought of them as offensive to Trans individuals. What about the rest of you?
Skinny

Posted: 12 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
@styzssm you keep begging people to stay on topic, this is altvibe we have no concern for the topic @leon1990 how Daily Mail of you.
styzssm

Posted: 13 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
I dunno, I know I haven't been n in a while but generally Lees always (somehow) kept his on topic.

What do you think about the NUS policing individual SUs @Skinny
Skinny

Posted: 13 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Well, obviously @syzssm I find these policies ridiculous and childish. The union is more than likely made up of under 21's. It certainly was when I was in student politics. Many movers will pledge a policy in order to have their stamp/legacy written into NUS, most of these policies will be written out by their predecessors next year.

What the National Union of Students does do is give an appropriate platform for students to engage in localised politics. These policies, like many more, will get an airing until the individuals behind them see the errors of their ways thus educating policy makers on how policies are formed. If they feel strongly that there are groups of people being insulted by ignorance then they should approach these groups to learn how they can help support them through NUS politics.

At the end of the day the NUS has no real power to enforce any of what it pledges, certainly once these students return to the confined space of the University campus the Union has no say over University policies and procedures.
leon1990

Posted: 13 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
@Skinny, what's very Daily Mail of me?Someone mentioned that there is increased numerical pressure on GPs. I don't think you need to read the Daily Mail to realize that the population of the UK has risen significantly in recent years, mainly due to the influx of immigrants. Now just stop licking your friend Gnarlee's arse if you don't mind.
Skinny

Posted: 13 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
Oh @leon1990 could you not respect @styzssm wish's for a post or two? Sorry @styzssm I am about to rant all over this thread;

I find it incredibly distressing that where a problem is found many tern to ignorance to solve it, Daily Mail policy! In recent years you say, in all years the population has increased. Lets think of some very real issues facing the NHS that have nothing to do with people who have chosen to reside here, pay tax's here and contribute to this country.

1. an ageing population, growing co-morbidities and increasing patient expectations, resulting in large increase in consultations, especially for older patients, e.g. 95% growth in consultation rate for people aged 85-89 in ten years up to 2008/09. The number of people with multiple long term conditions set to grow from 1.9 to 2.9 million from 2008 to 2018;

2. increasing pressure on NHS financial resources, which will intensify further from 2015/16;

3.growing reports of workforce pressures including recruitment and retention problems;

My source for this information, the NHS. You have a PHD thus I trust you can find this information for yourself.

George Orwell noted in his book 1984 that to retain power you install ignorance into your citizens, its scary how UKIP and other right wing fascist groups do just that for support.

I note that tabloids like the Daily Mail and Telegraph use the word 'Immigrants' quite flippantly to describe someone who has moved to the UK. But talk about Americans living here, or Brits living abroad, and they are referred to as 'Expats'.

Now, based on a BBC article dated 11 December 2006 5.5m British-born people live abroad, a number that rises to six million if those who live or work part of the year abroad are included. Taken together, they represent approximately 10% of British citizens.

This is surely 10% less pressure on the NHS by our own citizens? Now, say these six million are told to go home due to widespread intolerance towards British immigrants from around the world then theres six million more people we will have to deal with.

I do think its a shame/problem that people don't have the intellectual capacity to get along with one another simply based on the geographic location their mothers vagina was on the day they fell out of it, but I refuse to believe that anti immigration propaganda is the ticket to a better future.

Now, referring to the issue of me licking my friend @Gnarlee arse; its a free fucking world out there so I'll do what I like!! Obviously with Gnarlee's consent.
styzssm

Posted: 15 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
I'm sorry @leon1990 , I have to side with @Skinny
Could you not wait for like, 3 post before pledging your allegiance to UKIP. He is also fairly articulate in his counter argument and has backed his quotes with references (as I did n my original post btw) so if you do have a PhD I'm sure you'll find his argument more then hearsay.

For the (hopefully) a final time, please set up another forum to discuss the impacts of immigration on, well, anything. This isn't the one for it.

Skinny, yeah I agree, the NUS is such a microcosm that I fear that they have no real concept of what the world is like. I would have to disagree on the point of them realising the error of their ways. I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to attend LGBT Conference 2009, and OMG they still spurt the same BS 6 years latter. The only one to make any sort of corporal sense was a trans girl who did a 360 and is now something to do with the Tories, an NHS discrimination adviser or something

I think some of the policies were paved with good intentions but, so too is the road to hell.
Rusholme

Posted: 15 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame

styzssm

Posted: 15 Apr 2015
Re: NUS and their recent 15 mins of fame
What's your opinion on it @rusholme.

Do you think the NUS has the right to tell sports clubs et al how they can dress?
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